[ModLib] Question about a copy of The Apocrypha

Ron Holl ron at scribblemonger.com
Fri Aug 30 08:36:47 EDT 2013


Yes, I have this title in a jacket with 408 titles indicated; first
printing stated within the #8 bound book.


ron


> I have two copies of this title, both in an 8 binding with First Printing
> on
> the copyright page.  The lists at the end of the books include Hersey but
> omit Erasmus dating it to spring 1962.   Both jackets refer to 415 titles
> and include Erasmus but exclude Hesse, dating it to fall 1962.
>
>
>
> Since Jerry has a copy that does not state First Printing, we now know at
> some point FP was pulled from the copyright page.  But,  the listing at
> the
> end of the book did not change.
>
>
>
> Barry points out  "but it should be possible to distinguish first
> printings
> by the heading inside the jacket, which I believe state 408 outstanding
> titles".   This suggests despite his extensive research and studying
> numerous volumes of the ML, he may not have seen a jacket which refers to
> 408.
>
>
>
> So, I have this question:   Can someone confirm they have a jacket for
> this
> title that refers to 408 titles?
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> From: modlib-bounces at thuban.owu.edu [mailto:modlib-bounces at thuban.owu.edu]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Karp
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:26 AM
> To: Gordon Barriick Neavill; For collectors of Modern Library books
> Subject: Re: [ModLib] Question about a copy of The Apocrypha
>
>
>
> "The Apocrypha was originally published by the University of Chicago Press
> in 1959 and was reprinted in the ML in 1962. . . . I believe all ML
> printings include the "First Printing" statement on the verso of the title
> page -- it was typical of printings by offset lithography at this period
> to
> retain "First" statements on subsequent printings."
>
> FYI, my copy does not include the "First Printing" statement. It does
> include the statement, "Copyright, 1959, by Random House, Inc." I was
> guessing Random House put out a non-ML version of the book in 1959, then
> added it to the ML catalog in 1962. On the other hand, it also says,
> "Reprinted with the permission of the University of Chicago Press." But if
> you go to abebooks and search for The Apocrypha and University of Chicago
> and first edition, you'll find editions as early as 1938.
>
> As for the inside of the dust jacket, it is blank. I had assumed that it
> was
> not the book's original jacket.
>
> "One explanation is that the list in the back did not get updated."
>
>
>
> I guess this is the most likely scenario, especially given Barry's
> reminder,
> "The list of titles at the end of volumes printed by offset lithography
> typically weren't updated at this period." I'd be very interested to learn
> whether anyone else with this book can add insight on this probability. If
> this is the case, and if the book matches its cover, that makes it
> post-1963, which means the 11 binding is unremarkable. C'est la vie!
>
> Thanks for the responses so far!
>
> Best,
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Gordon Barrick Neavill
> <neavill at wayne.edu>
> wrote:
>
> The Apocrypha was originally published by the University of Chicago Press
> in
> 1959 and was reprinted in the ML in 1962.  The ML edition was printed by
> offset lithography, which made it possible to reduce the size of the type
> page from University of Chicago Press printings. I believe all ML
> printings
> include the "First Printing" statement on the verso of the title page --
> it
> was typical of printings by offset lithography at this period to retain
> "First" statements on subsequent printings.  Apparently whiting out the
> statement on the photographic negative was more challenging that simply
> cutting it out of letterpress plates.  The list of titles at the end of
> volumes printed by offset lithography typically weren't updated at this
> period, but it should be possible to distinguish first printings by the
> heading inside the jacket, which I believe state 408 outstanding titles.
>
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Holl" <ron at scribblemonger.com>
> To: "For collectors of Modern Library books" <modlib at thuban.owu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:49:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [ModLib] Question about a copy of The Apocrypha
>
> One explanation is that the list in the back did not get updated.  Binding
> 9 came before 11, and those were not out until 1963 either, so it is
> unlikely that an 11 was being used in the Spring of 1962.
>
> If anyone has a non-first printing copy of this title in a #8 (or 9, 10)
> they can check the lists in those, as they would all be before the #11.
> Also, any other 11s can be checked for the same situation.
>
> Separate note related to this title, the paper used on my copy (which is a
> first printing) is thin and tanned like the paper used on the late 1950s
> ML paperbacks.
>
>
> ron
>
>
>
>
>
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