[ModLib] Joe Gould's Secret

JOHN PETERSON jpetersonlhi at verizon.net
Wed Jun 30 22:40:06 EDT 2010


Sorry for the bogus information I gave that led to this misunderstanding.  My wife could tell you that I do well when comparing A and B.  When I try to compare A, B and C, then confusion is possible.

John
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  From: Darrell Johnson 
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        Barry

        So John's 1996 1st printing copy with the Style B movie tie-in jacket might actually be exactly that - they took a 1996 first printing book, removed the Style A jacket and put the Style B movie tie-in jacket on it.

        That would tend to imply that there wasn't a second printing of the 1996 edition, if they still had 1st printing books around when they arranged the movie tie-in agreement with USA films.

        Thoughts?

        Darrell

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          From: Gordon B. Neavill <aa3401 at wayne.edu>
          Subject: Re: [ModLib] Joe Gould's Secret
          To: "For collectors of Modern Library books" <modlib at thuban.owu.edu>
          Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 8:12 AM


          I have the 1996 first printing of Joe Gould's Secret and the 2000 printing with the movie tie-in jacket (my copy with the tie-in jacket states 2000 Modern Library Edition, though it's possible that copies of the earlier printing could have been sold in the later jacket. The later printing is different in a number of respects. In the first printing the frontispiece portrait is on glossy paper and is tipped in; in the later it's printed on the same paper as the text. The information on the verso of the title page is different, and the table of contents is revised to include the Maxwell introduction. There are different ISBNs -- the international numbering system that uniquely identifies different editions of different books. The line of numbers at the foot of the page, as John notes, are identical -- but these simply identify the printing. The "1" at the right is supposed to identify the first printing; the "2" at the left the second printing; and so forth. If the printer remembers to do it, the "1" is supposed to be whited out or removed for the second printing, the "2" is supposed to be removed for the third printing, etc.

          Barry

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          Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:12:07 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
          Subject: [ModLib] Joe Gould's Secret

           
          Darrell, 

          I saw that you mentioned Joseph Mitchell's Joe Gould's Secret.  I have three different styles of that title--one is what you call style A, the second and third add an intro by William Maxwell and are both your style B--one is a movie tie-in, and the other has, as the topmost script, "The Commemorative Edition."   Curiously, all three are dated 1996 and all three have the complete set of numbers "246897531" at the bottom.

          John Peterson
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            From: Darrell Johnson 
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            Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:13 AM
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                   John Wolansky asked:

                  Is it the copy with the movie tie-in, car and Garp on the cover, or is there an edition with the author’s picture on the front of the jacket, as was the fashion in 1998?


                  Response:

                  I collect the 90's Hardbacks. I keep an eye out for those sort of variations.  I've never seen a Garp except with the movie frame photo - which is not an actual "tie-in" jacket because the tie-ins specifically refer to the movie or TV special that it is "tied" to.

                  1998 was about the time that ML was switching from the "Vertical Split" jackets {Author photo on the left, Title, author name and ML logo on the right}, to the "Horizontal Split" jackets {Author's name or title on the top, photo or illustration under that, title or author's name below that, and "Modern Library" and/or ML logo at the bottom}.  In my database I refer to the first as Style A, the second as Style B.  They also have titles that do not follow either pattern and are thus unique - which I refer to as Style C.

                  If they do switch jackets on Garp expect a new ISBN and a new "First Printing"!

                  A.S. Byatt's Possesion had a 2000 first printing with a Style A jacket and then a new "first printing" in 2001 in a Style C (unique) jacket with a movie tie-in.  Gore Vidal's  Lincoln went from a Giant with a Style A jacket 1993 1st printing, to a very pudgy regular with a Style B jacket in 1998 with a new "First Printing."   Joseph Mitchell's Joe Gould's Secret had a Style A "first printing" in 1996, and a Style B "first printing" in 2000 with a Movie tie-in.  The Lincolns have a major change in pagination because of the switch from Giant to Regular.  But I can find no difference other than the jackets in the other two titles.  In each case I treat them as seperate editions even though there is no statements by ML that they are second editions.  All three of these pairs had ISBN changes - which seems to be the only "notice" of a "new edition.".

                  I have two other examples with different twists.

                  First, I have two copies of Willa Cather's Death Come for the Archbihop.  Both are regulars with identical Style A front covers.  These two differ on the jacket spine.  The first has her photo, then her name horizontally, and then the title horizontally.  The second has her name vertically, then the photo, and then the title vertically.  The lettering on the second spine is much larger than on the first spine.  The first book is a 1993 1st printing.  The second is a 1993 5th printing.  So this one did not result in a new edition.(apparently).  But I haven't been able to establish at which printing the change first occurred.  These to copies have the same ISBN.

                  Second, I have two copies of Charlotte Bronte's Jane Eyre.  The first is a Regular 1993 1st printing with a Style A jacket.  The second is a Giant 1997 2nd printing with a Style B jacket that includes an A & E Special Presentation tie-in.  Both have 682 pages of text!  The font is larger in the Giant than in the Regular. But the later edition has an introduction that first does not have - so a new edition was clearly justified.  The books have different ISBN's.

                  Austen' Complete Novels (which are in two volumes in the 90's Hardback editions) has gone from Style A Jackets to Style B Jackets.  I don't own any of the four, but I presume the switch prompted new ISBN's and new "first printings."

                  What I am not sure of, but I have suspicions, is that the tie-in jackets may have had limited life spans (especially for the TV special tie-ins).  So have any of these titles gone back to their previous jackets after some period of time? And did that prompt a third edition with a new ISBN and a new "first printing"?  Or if they went back to the pervious jacket did they go back to the previous ISBN and pick up where they left off with the printings?  I haven't established examples of either of these scenarios yet.

                  Darrell Johnson


                    
                  --- On Tue, 6/29/10, John Wolansky <jwol at fast.net> wrote:


                    From: John Wolansky <jwol at fast.net>
                    Subject: RE: [ModLib] THE WORLD ACCORDING TO GARP
                    To: "'For collectors of Modern Library books'" <modlib at thuban.owu.edu>
                    Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 2:48 PM


                    Is it the copy with the movie tie-in, car and Garp on the cover, or is there an edition with the author’s picture on the front of the jacket, as was the fashion in 1998?



                    John 

                     

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                    Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:59 AM
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                    A sleeper: First Modern Library Edition 1998
                    NEW introduction by Irving-
                    Grab it...if you can find a copy.

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