[ModLib] Joe Gould's Secret

JOHN PETERSON jpetersonlhi at verizon.net
Thu Jul 1 06:59:16 EDT 2010


Does the "transitional" have the note on Type?  Yes.
Does the transitional editon jacket indicate a print date?  Yes.  9/96

John P.
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  From: Darrell Johnson 
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        John,

        Two more bits of info please.

        First: The original 1996 edition had a "Note on the Type" indicating New Caledonia type.  The 2000-2009 Edition dropped this note.  Does the "transitional" have it?

        Second:  The 1st printing copy I have of the 1996 edition inicates the jacket was printed 2/96 (its along the fold on the back flap).  The both copies of the 1st printing 2000-2009 edition I have indicate the jacket was printed 4/00 (these are on the bottom of the back flap).  Does the transitional editon jacket indicate a print date?

        Darrell



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          From: JOHN PETERSON <jpetersonlhi at verizon.net>
          Subject: Re: [ModLib] Joe Gould's Secret
          To: "For collectors of Modern Library books" <modlib at thuban.owu.edu>
          Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 9:37 PM


           
          Darrell, see my comments in response to Barry's remarks for part of my answer to you.  Other info re: the Commemorative Edition: Price, 13.50/18.95.  Credits to Steinberg, Therese Mitchell and "blurbs" same as your Style A.  The cover photo is the same as your Style A, but the picture is not as narrowly cropped, showing a lot of brick wall and the whole doorway in which Mitchell was standing.  Let me know if I've left anything else out.  One last curious note: The first printing (Style A) copyright page lists no website; the commemorative edition has www.randomhouse.com, and the movie tie-in has www.modernlibrary.com 

          John Peterson
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            Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:44 AM
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                  John

                  My Style A jacketed book has a "1996 Modern Library Edition" and has ISBN 0-679-60184-8, with the 246897531 printing string. Jacket price U.S.A. $13.50; Canada $18.50. The copyright page includes an "illustrations" credit by Saul Steinberg and the cover photo credit by Therese Mitchell.  The back of the jacket has "cover blurbs" by Dawn Powell, Charles Poore and Christopher Carduff.

                  I have two copies of the Style B movie tie-ins.  They say "2000 Modern Library Edition" and have ISBN 0-679-60339-5, with 246897531 printing strings.  Jacket price U.S.A. $14.95; Cananda $22.50.  The copyright page includes an "illustrations" credit by Saul Steinberg but does not have the cover photo credit by Therese Mitchell (since the photo was dropped for the movie--still illustration (which does not have a credit). The back of the jacket has only the Dawn Powell "cover blurb."

                  I just noticed a change in the Biographical Note at the front of the book:  The 2000 Style B includes death dates for Therese Mitchell (1980) and Joseph Mitchell (May 24, 1996), which the 1996 Style A does not have. 

                  Could you supply me with the same set of info for your "Commemerative Edition" please.

                  My database includes full contents including these bits of information.  I'd like to add The Commemerative Edition to the database.

                  Thank you.

                  Darrell




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                    From: JOHN PETERSON <jpetersonlhi at verizon.net>
                    Subject: [ModLib] Joe Gould's Secret
                    To: "For collectors of Modern Library books" <modlib at thuban.owu.edu>
                    Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 6:12 AM


                     
                    Darrell, 

                    I saw that you mentioned Joseph Mitchell's Joe Gould's Secret.  I have three different styles of that title--one is what you call style A, the second and third add an intro by William Maxwell and are both your style B--one is a movie tie-in, and the other has, as the topmost script, "The Commemorative Edition."   Curiously, all three are dated 1996 and all three have the complete set of numbers "246897531" at the bottom.

                    John Peterson
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                      From: Darrell Johnson 
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                      Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:13 AM
                      Subject: RE: [ModLib] THE WORLD ACCORDING TO GARP


                             John Wolansky asked:

                            Is it the copy with the movie tie-in, car and Garp on the cover, or is there an edition with the author’s picture on the front of the jacket, as was the fashion in 1998?


                            Response:

                            I collect the 90's Hardbacks. I keep an eye out for those sort of variations.  I've never seen a Garp except with the movie frame photo - which is not an actual "tie-in" jacket because the tie-ins specifically refer to the movie or TV special that it is "tied" to.

                            1998 was about the time that ML was switching from the "Vertical Split" jackets {Author photo on the left, Title, author name and ML logo on the right}, to the "Horizontal Split" jackets {Author's name or title on the top, photo or illustration under that, title or author's name below that, and "Modern Library" and/or ML logo at the bottom}.  In my database I refer to the first as Style A, the second as Style B.  They also have titles that do not follow either pattern and are thus unique - which I refer to as Style C.

                            If they do switch jackets on Garp expect a new ISBN and a new "First Printing"!

                            A.S. Byatt's Possesion had a 2000 first printing with a Style A jacket and then a new "first printing" in 2001 in a Style C (unique) jacket with a movie tie-in.  Gore Vidal's  Lincoln went from a Giant with a Style A jacket 1993 1st printing, to a very pudgy regular with a Style B jacket in 1998 with a new "First Printing."   Joseph Mitchell's Joe Gould's Secret had a Style A "first printing" in 1996, and a Style B "first printing" in 2000 with a Movie tie-in.  The Lincolns have a major change in pagination because of the switch from Giant to Regular.  But I can find no difference other than the jackets in the other two titles.  In each case I treat them as seperate editions even though there is no statements by ML that they are second editions.  All three of these pairs had ISBN changes - which seems to be the only "notice" of a "new edition.".

                            I have two other examples with different twists.

                            First, I have two copies of Willa Cather's Death Come for the Archbihop.  Both are regulars with identical Style A front covers.  These two differ on the jacket spine.  The first has her photo, then her name horizontally, and then the title horizontally.  The second has her name vertically, then the photo, and then the title vertically.  The lettering on the second spine is much larger than on the first spine.  The first book is a 1993 1st printing.  The second is a 1993 5th printing.  So this one did not result in a new edition.(apparently).  But I haven't been able to establish at which printing the change first occurred.  These to copies have the same ISBN.

                            Second, I have two copies of Charlotte Bronte's Jane Eyre.  The first is a Regular 1993 1st printing with a Style A jacket.  The second is a Giant 1997 2nd printing with a Style B jacket that includes an A & E Special Presentation tie-in.  Both have 682 pages of text!  The font is larger in the Giant than in the Regular. But the later edition has an introduction that first does not have - so a new edition was clearly justified.  The books have different ISBN's.

                            Austen' Complete Novels (which are in two volumes in the 90's Hardback editions) has gone from Style A Jackets to Style B Jackets.  I don't own any of the four, but I presume the switch prompted new ISBN's and new "first printings."

                            What I am not sure of, but I have suspicions, is that the tie-in jackets may have had limited life spans (especially for the TV special tie-ins).  So have any of these titles gone back to their previous jackets after some period of time? And did that prompt a third edition with a new ISBN and a new "first printing"?  Or if they went back to the pervious jacket did they go back to the previous ISBN and pick up where they left off with the printings?  I haven't established examples of either of these scenarios yet.

                            Darrell Johnson


                              
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                              From: John Wolansky <jwol at fast.net>
                              Subject: RE: [ModLib] THE WORLD ACCORDING TO GARP
                              To: "'For collectors of Modern Library books'" <modlib at thuban.owu.edu>
                              Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 2:48 PM


                              Is it the copy with the movie tie-in, car and Garp on the cover, or is there an edition with the author’s picture on the front of the jacket, as was the fashion in 1998?

                               

                              John 


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                              A sleeper: First Modern Library Edition 1998
                              NEW introduction by Irving-
                              Grab it...if you can find a copy.

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